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Julie Zhuo

Facebook, Sundial

2 debates 2 evidence cards 1 episode
Product Is product sense innate or a skill that can be developed?

"Product sense is built through deliberate practice - study products, make predictions, check results"

Design Should design stay a small, tight elite group with a clear vision — or scale into a large org with structure, leveling, and specialization?

"Scaling the design org is what actually creates the career opportunity for designers to grow into senior roles — but growth in headcount must be coupled with growth in individual capability and context."

Sundial (formerly Facebook)

Facebook's internal culture of product critique and AB testing as a product-sense incubator

Zhuo's own practice of analyzing every app she downloads -- the onboarding, the moment of clarity, the points of confusion

Facebook

Julie Zhuo rose from IC designer to VP of Design entirely inside Facebook as it scaled from 8 million users to global platform — scale was the training ground

Her argument: scaled, hypergrowth design orgs are the only environments that reliably produce new senior designers, because ICs get thrown into roles they haven't been trained for

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